Sorting Podcasts by Episode

[kncowans]

Hello all

I have a directory of 23 Photoshop User TV Podcasts.

When I view these on the EVA9150 in 'Folder View' they are all jumbled up, i.e. not in Episode order.

The Episodes are named 'Episode 225' to 'Episode 247'.

Any suggestions how I can get these to show up in Order?

Thanks in advance

Kevin

[ron7]

Originally Posted by kncowans

Hello all

I have a directory of 23 Photoshop User TV Podcasts.

When I view these on the EVA9150 in 'Folder View' they are all jumbled up, i.e. not in Episode order.

The Episodes are named 'Episode 225' to 'Episode 247'.

Any suggestions how I can get these to show up in Order?

Thanks in advance

Kevin

EVA listings are case sensitive. Any chance there are mixed "Episode" and "episode" (going to be hard to check if you are looking through a MS file browser...)

[kncowans]

Hello Ron7

Thanks for the reply.

All the episodes are named 'Episode <number>' so no difference in the Filenames, or Extension (all .mp4).

When I view by Folder, Newest Videos all the videos are in order with the newest one at the top, however, when I view 'All Videos' they are all jumbled with no apparent order.

Do you happen to know if the EVA9150 uses any of the Tags when showing 'All Videos' as opposed to the Filename?

Thanks in advance

Kevin

[muzicman61]

Do they by chance have any internal tag information embedded in them?

[ron7]

Originally Posted by kncowans

Hello Ron7

Thanks for the reply.

All the episodes are named 'Episode <number>' so no difference in the Filenames, or Extension (all .mp4).

When I view by Folder, Newest Videos all the videos are in order with the newest one at the top, however, when I view 'All Videos' they are all jumbled with no apparent order.

Do you happen to know if the EVA9150 uses any of the Tags when showing 'All Videos' as opposed to the Filename?

Thanks in advance

Kevin

As far as I know, "Newest" uses the file timestamp for ordering. In all other cases my experiments indicate that when a TAG file exists, whatever is in the TALB (title) frame is what will be used for the on-screen display, and for sorting the entries for the display (it's a bit more complex as the TAG titles are cached during a Full Scan for media and it's the cache that's used).

Assuming your podcasts don't have TAG files associated with them (ie exactly the same name but TAG as the extension), then Muzicman61 may have nailed it. ID3 frames can certainly be embedded in an mp3 file (I do this with audiobooks for the cover display). I'm not sure about mp4, but it seems likely. If you'd like to forward me a couple of them that do not collate correctly (or put them someplace I can download), I have utilities (id3info and others on Linux) that can quickly answer the question--and strip the tags.

If they do have embedded ID3 frames, it would be instructive (to me at least) to find out what happens when a separate TAG file is present--which takes precedence?

[StephenB]

Originally Posted by ron7

As far as I know, "Newest" uses the file timestamp for ordering. In all other cases my experiments indicate that when a TAG file exists, whatever is in the TALB (title) frame is what will be used for the on-screen display, and for sorting the entries for the display (it's a bit more complex as the TAG titles are cached during a Full Scan for media and it's the cache that's used).

Assuming your podcasts don't have TAG files associated with them (ie exactly the same name but TAG as the extension), then Muzicman61 may have nailed it. ID3 frames can certainly be embedded in an mp3 file (I do this with audiobooks for the cover display). I'm not sure about mp4, but it seems likely. If you'd like to forward me a couple of them that do not collate correctly (or put them someplace I can download), I have utilities (id3info and others on Linux) that can quickly answer the question--and strip the tags.

If they do have embedded ID3 frames, it would be instructive (to me at least) to find out what happens when a separate TAG file is present--which takes precedence?

MP4s certainly can hold internal ID3 tags. If you open the file with mediainfo, you can see the tag information. Many other programs including iTunes will also show the tags.

Hopefully external tags take precedence over internal tags.

[kncowans]

Hello all

Thanks for the replies.

The Podcasts were indeed downloaded from the iTunes Store using iTunes 10.

Below is the General MediaInfo from three files that show out of order.

On the EVA9150 these files show in the order of 228, 242 and 229 five places further down the list.

General
Complete name : J:\iTunes\Podcasts\Photoshop User TV\Episode 242.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 313 MiB
Duration : 40mn 26s
Overall bit rate : 1 083 Kbps
Movie name : Episode 242
Album : Photoshop User TV
Performer : Photoshop User TV
Genre : Software How-To
Encoded date : 2010
Tagged date : UTC 2010-09-14 13:19:45
pcst : 1
purl : http://kelbytv.com/photoshopusertv/podcast/
egid : http://media.kelbymediagroup.com/swi...pisode-242.mp4
desc : The Photoshop Guys taped this episode live on the expo hall floor. Matt has a tutorial on making selections with the refine edge command in CS5. Dave uses blend if sliders to combine text with a photograph. Scott shares a type tutorial about using Pro Scr
ldes : The Photoshop Guys taped this episode live on the expo hall floor. Matt has a tutorial on making selections with the refine edge command in CS5. Dave uses blend if sliders to combine text with a photograph. Scott shares a type tutorial about using Pro Scripts. The Guys also give away some prizes and offer an exclusive discount for photo printing.
tvsn : 0
tves : 0
stik : 0


General
Complete name : J:\iTunes\Podcasts\Photoshop User TV\Episode 228.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 202 MiB
Duration : 25mn 26s
Overall bit rate : 1 110 Kbps
Movie name : Episode 228
Album : Photoshop User TV
Performer : Photoshop User TV
Genre : Software How-To
Encoded date : 2010
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-03 15:06:13
pcst : 1
purl : http://kelbytv.com/photoshopusertv/podcast/
egid : http://media.kelbymediagroup.com/swi...pisode-228.mp4
desc : Matt adds a texture effect to a photo. Dave demonstrates how to take a photo and create a line drawing of the original. Special guest Richard Harrington talks about Photoshop's ability to clone and heal video clips. Plus, a tip quickly adding copyright in
ldes : Matt adds a texture effect to a photo. Dave demonstrates how to take a photo and create a line drawing of the original. Special guest Richard Harrington talks about Photoshop's ability to clone and heal video clips. Plus, a tip quickly adding copyright info to your images.
tvsn : 0
tves : 0
stik : 0


General
Complete name : J:\iTunes\Podcasts\Photoshop User TV\Episode 229.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 179 MiB
Duration : 24mn 34s
Overall bit rate : 1 017 Kbps
Movie name : Episode 229
Album : Photoshop User TV
Performer : Photoshop User TV
Genre : Software How-To
Encoded date : 2010
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-10 18:53:10
pcst : 1
purl : http://kelbytv.com/photoshopusertv/podcast/
egid : http://media.kelbymediagroup.com/swi...pisode-229.mp4
desc : Dave shows viewers how to create a versatile, editable background using smart objects and defined patterns. Special guest David Cuerdon has a tutorial on how to combine two images into one background and drop a subject in front of it. Matt has a tip for c
ldes : Dave shows viewers how to create a versatile, editable background using smart objects and defined patterns. Special guest David Cuerdon has a tutorial on how to combine two images into one background and drop a subject in front of it. Matt has a tip for correcting lens distortion by using the warp tool.
tvsn : 0
tves : 0
stik : 0

Thanks in advance

Kevin

[ron7]

Hello all
Thanks for the replies.
The Podcasts were indeed downloaded from the iTunes Store using iTunes 10.
Below is the General MediaInfo from three files that show out of order.
On the EVA9150 these files show in the order of 228, 242 and 229 five places further down the list.
*snip*

Hi Kevin, thanks for that. I downloaded 228 from http://kelbytv.com/photoshopusertv/podcast/ (using IE8, Firefox and Chrome would not do it!) and got a file named "psutv_228.mp4". This does not have any ID3 metadata in it. If you got your copy from the iTunes store, I suspect iTunes itself (or the store) may have 'helpfully' tagged it for you.

That said, there is no obvious reason (short of invisible unprintable characters) that why the files should not collate as expected.

What does your EVA show when you highlight one of these podcasts? Does the title on screen resemble any of the values for "Complete name" or "Movie name"? Do you get a description? I'm guessing not?

So 2 things you could try. Go to kelbytv.com and download one of the offending episodes, rename it like the others and temporarily replace the existing one with it to see if it moves in the display order.

Second, don't do that. Instead create a separate ID3 TAG file for one of the offenders and hope it overrides the embedded tag data (which seems reasonable).

TagEdit can do this quickly and easily. Do a File|New to start a new tag, cut and paste description etc from your dump, then File|Save As.. (browse to the target directory, click on the mp4 file, and change the extension--faster then typing the name in again). Tagedit is available from http://itee.uq.edu.au/~chernich/tagedit.html

The job can be done with the Netgear tool too, but it's messy, which is why TagEdit exists.

[ron7]

Kevin, sorry I should have been more explicit: if you try either of the experiments I mentioned, you'll have to do a Full Scan to see the effect, if any.

Tedious I know, but how long since you've done one? It may even fix the problem...

[kncowans]

Hello Ron7

Well, I have given up trying to get the Podcasts to show up in order.

Good News though

I have setup an RSS on the EVA9150 and can now watch the 'Photoshop User TV' Episodes that way which works fine.

Thanks

Kevin